Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

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Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by VenomAT » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:18 pm

After another disappointing blind box purchase felt the need to make this post, stressing this is obviously just an opinion as I have no insight into Kidrobot sales/revenue/product strategy.

For me I got into the designer toy scene around 5 years ago, really ramping up 4 years ago with a collection in the 200+ range across many designers (I know small by others standards). I’d say since then I’ve purchase only three cases (Odd Ones, Simpsons, chaos bunnies), around 30 blind boxes, and the rest secondary market or retail release (e.g. was non-blind at retail).

The idea of a blind box, in theory, is a great idea. You roll the dice open the box and see what you get. Where I have learned to hate them, and I feel it now is damaging the brand, is 95% of the time what I open is either a common I don’t want, or most likely, a duplicate of what I already have. In each case it forces me to go to ebay or the forums to buy on a secondary market, which inherently is something Ilike to avoid (e.g. I will not buy used games to support the industry). To add on, if it was easy to sell/move these items it would be one thing, but typically the effort to sell a common/low rarity dunny is way to time consuming and I typically just toss it into a box that never sees the light of day.

I get it was a big deal when they started, with the novelty new and fresh way back when, but fast forward to 2017 and you’ll find 20 other varieties of blind boxes for every matter of crap product on the market. This, in combination with the random luck of the draw, has turned off anyone I try to get into the hobby as they almost always get something they don’t want and have no energy or care to trade/sell it (usually just point to POP Vinyl and tell me I can see what I am buying)

To conclude, I doubt the practice will change anytime soon, but it would be great to see a move away from blind boxes and more towards traditional release (buy the ones you want), or if never possible a hybrid where a purchase of a common/low rarity comes with a blind box for a higher rarity. As example with the recent 13 GID release, I’d happily give you 50 bucks for five of the figures I really want, but refuse to spend 50 dollars on blind boxes to get 5 commons and two sets of duplicates.



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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by fakeXsound » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:57 pm

I feel you on the frustration of opening a double. I think of the four 2011 blindboxes I bought, three of them were the Reach Dunny. I ended up just buying an open blindbox of the Shawnimals one, which was what I was mainly after. But, when it comes to platform toys like Dunny, I don't really mind getting a common, because I can just sand them down and paint them. I definitely recommend trying it out. Even if you suck, it's still a good time. I've been customizing since 2005 and don't have much to show for it, but I still love to do it and is a good way to turn a double or something I can't trade into a decent purchase.
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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by berf » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:20 pm

I can understand your frustration completely, but the blind boxes are part of what really makes the experience for me personally. I have a collection of around 150, and also a bucket where I toss my duplicates(under the delusion I will eventually use them for customs.. I've only used a few, heh)

If they got rid of the blind aspect I would probably lose a lot of interest in collecting. I love that rush when I open a box and inside is a chase. It becomes so special, because it was so unexpected. It's a high(let's admit it, it's gambling only you get a toy win or lose), and yeah it blows when you get something you don't like or something you have, but it's part of the game. Anyway, that's just my own feelings on it.
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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by Oisterboy » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:15 am

Yeah there's no fun in buying regular window boxes. No thanks.

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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by Thatsmrlazy » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:47 am

The 5" Dunny's (dunnies... Did we ever work that out?) might be right up your street ;)

As for the blind boxes, I love blinds, however, ratios over 2/25 will put me off a series and I will grab off eBay instead.

As long as a series is multi artist and has good ratios I will buy for sure.

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Post by swind15 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:11 pm

I love 8" and 5" dunnys in window boxes, but you can't beat that thrill of opening some blind boxes. Sure getting doubles is frustrating, but can't beat the rush of blind boxing a chase or figure that you really want.

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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by 666ways2love » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:08 pm

The only way to stave off the complete disappoint of getting tons of duplicates is buy a full case. That's the only way to minimize the risk. If you are only buying a few BB here and there...

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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by LuckyKid19 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:42 pm

I'm all for the blinds. But I do wish they got back to the 20 and 16 per case layout. Currently I've been riding a bad streak on cases. Not getting the rarest of the series since the last odd ones where I got Luna. Hoping with the gid odd ones to get a Luna as well but if I don't it's not stopping me from buying cases. YES I do have a crap ton of dupes but you gotta get creative and do something with them.

I've taken all my dupes threw them in a big rump glass vase and made it a centerpiece in my office. It's like filling up that huge rump plastic coke bottle piggy bank with pennies.
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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by fakeXsound » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:08 pm

LuckyKid19 wrote: I've taken all my dupes threw them in a big rump glass vase and made it a centerpiece in my office. It's like filling up that huge rump plastic coke bottle piggy bank with pennies.
Ha! I was talking to my friend / a former KR employee over Skype and she lifted up the centerpiece bowl in her kitchen to her webcam. It had a bunch of Dunnys in it, including, appropriately, a bunch of Sket's stuff.

I want to try that gardening bead trick where you put a figure in a glass jar and add water. The beads liquify and solidify so it looks like the figure is floating in thin air. Here's a gif of the process:

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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by thereviewer » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:05 am

fakeXsound wrote:
LuckyKid19 wrote: I've taken all my dupes threw them in a big rump glass vase and made it a centerpiece in my office. It's like filling up that huge rump plastic coke bottle piggy bank with pennies.
Ha! I was talking to my friend / a former KR employee over Skype and she lifted up the centerpiece bowl in her kitchen to her webcam. It had a bunch of Dunnys in it, including, appropriately, a bunch of Sket's stuff.

I want to try that gardening bead trick where you put a figure in a glass jar and add water. The beads liquify and solidify so it looks like the figure is floating in thin air. Here's a gif of the process:

http://imgur.com/gallery/qRN6d

Oh wow that is really cool
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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by VenomAT » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:14 am

Outside of my personal preference, my focus lately has been on attracting new individuals to the hobby. Those of us that purchase and spend money will most likely continue to do so, it's getting individuals to spend 12 dollars for the "potential" to get what they want is being ignore for companies like FUNKO where it is front and center, or strictly ebay purchases. I get that there is an eco system where people buy cases and sell on secondary market, but it eventually turns into a gamestop style problem if the initial purchases go down over time.

On a lighter note I love the idea of a centerpiece and will need to look into it. The suspension with the garden beads is a great idea as well, but actually not sure how well vinyl does in constant exposure to water ( assuming slow degregation, but be great for input).

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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by ChewieOK » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:44 pm

When dunnys were $6 each, getting a duplicate was no big deal. But spending $12 and getting a duplicate is throwing away a good chunk of money. From what I have heard, the 24 count cases of the new Andy Warhol 2 series is giving many case buyers 12 duplicates. When I ordered 15 of the "13" series, I got 7 duplicates. After awhile, it doesn't work so well and you lose enthusiasm. This year, for the first time, I am skipping many of the dunny series. There are too many series: some of them are weak and the cases of 24 are too expensive. For the blind boxes to succeed in the long run the price per box needs to go down, the case size needs to be smaller, the ratios need to be doable, and the quality of the designs must be high.
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Re: Can we finally retire the idea of Blind Boxes?

Post by fakeXsound » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:52 pm

ChewieOK wrote:When dunnys were $6 each, getting a duplicate was no big deal. But spending $12 and getting a duplicate is throwing away a good chunk of money. From what I have heard, the 24 count cases of the new Andy Warhol 2 series is giving many case buyers 12 duplicates. When I ordered 15 of the "13" series, I got 7 duplicates. After awhile, it doesn't work so well and you lose enthusiasm. This year, for the first time, I am skipping many of the dunny series. There are too many series: some of them are weak and the cases of 24 are too expensive. For the blind boxes to succeed in the long run the price per box needs to go down, the case size needs to be smaller, the ratios need to be doable, and the quality of the designs must be high.
I think this is a reasonable middle-ground. $9 would be a no-brainer.
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Post by Oisterboy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:48 am

Yeah with other crappy half baked toy companies dropping bags and boxes at under 10 bucks it's rough paying 12 per box.

There was supposed to be a price break coming, I distinctly remember it being said, but maybe with a couple of mistakes (ahem batman) that idea got canned....

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Post by swind15 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:16 pm

LuckyKid19 wrote:I'm all for the blinds. But I do wish they got back to the 20 and 16 per case layout. Currently I've been riding a bad streak on cases. Not getting the rarest of the series since the last odd ones where I got Luna. Hoping with the gid odd ones to get a Luna as well but if I don't it's not stopping me from buying cases. YES I do have a crap ton of dupes but you gotta get creative and do something with them.

I've taken all my dupes threw them in a big rump glass vase and made it a centerpiece in my office. It's like filling up that huge rump plastic coke bottle piggy bank with pennies.
I really wish cases would go back to 20 and 16. I can't buy cases of 24 with triplicates of many designs.

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Post by VenomAT » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:56 pm

As example I am a huge Jled fan but with shipping and taxes your looking at 400 for a case of 24 for the outsiders release.

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Post by paul » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:01 pm

The price of vinyl has been skyrocketing for as long as I've been collecting, and it's not going to stop anytime soon. The only way you're going to see KR blind boxes for under $10 is with licensed stuff that has larger runs and nearly identical sculpts. They've tried doing minimal sculpting with dunny series but they've found having numerous unique sculpts in each set is really the best way to get sales with non-licensed collectors.

As for not liking blind boxes in general, the only way to vote is with your wallet. I think they're an entry level type of art toy that's necessary to bring in new collectors. I would definitely agree on smaller cases and better ratios. The 3/24 ratio especially serves little purpose other than ensuring no one ever buys a case again.
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Post by ncreighton » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:12 pm

lmao! I was just talking about how much I hate blind packs/boxes in another forum. They are just such a waste of money!
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Post by VenomAT » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:23 pm

Despite my best judgement bought four blind boxes for outsider series, two each shot at NewBury Comics. Ended up with three of the same common, and another common as well... close to 50 dollars total (they had a deal) for three of the same. Once again I know it's random chance, but it is just too expensive for this type of outcome.

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